Now of course this is just a concept. It may never see the light of day and would have only a limited market in the US but still it's just confirms what I've been arguing all along. That due to increasing urbanization, fossil fuel scarcity and environmental concerns the future belongs to the maxi-scoot. The Scooter Revolution continues...
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Thursday, March 7, 2013
And the line blurs even more...
When I saw this video for Toyota's new concept car, the I-ROAD, it reminded me of the Piaggio MP3 model only with a roof. It blurs the line between what is a motorcycle, a scooter and a car.
The biggest difference of course, is that the Toyota's I-ROAD is electric. It is rear wheel driven and relies on computer chips to counter steer thus keeping the car upright in turns but for all practical purposes it appears to handle like a motorcycle or scooter would.
Now of course this is just a concept. It may never see the light of day and would have only a limited market in the US but still it's just confirms what I've been arguing all along. That due to increasing urbanization, fossil fuel scarcity and environmental concerns the future belongs to the maxi-scoot. The Scooter Revolution continues...
Now of course this is just a concept. It may never see the light of day and would have only a limited market in the US but still it's just confirms what I've been arguing all along. That due to increasing urbanization, fossil fuel scarcity and environmental concerns the future belongs to the maxi-scoot. The Scooter Revolution continues...
Sunday, May 20, 2012
What's next?
I have been trying to help a co-worker decide on which motorcycle he should buy. This will be his first motorcycle and he has never ridden before. Luckily he has got a bit of a brain in his head and is getting endorsed first, buying the proper gear and is listening to those of us that do ride nearly every day. He's already changed his mind about getting a huge cc monster although I can't talk him out of his desire for a street bike.
In my thinking a 250cc or 400cc motorbike or scooter is all he needs for a year or two. Your going to go down at least once while learning and a old beater would serve his needs. Burgman's are relativity cheap and plentiful for example and would provide him experience in handling a two wheeled vehicle. Now don't misunderstand me, I love my Burgie and really don't have any complaints about it but I am a realist as well - he needs to learn and the Burgman is a good bike to do that on. His heart however, is with a sport bike.
My first ride was the Zuma 125, it met all my needs at the time and was a fun little bike, it will always have a place in my heart, but his quest got me thinking. What's next for me?
I've always been attracted to the odd and unusual and I can't see paying an extra 10K just for a brand name. Plus, they are a dime of dozen, so Harley's are pretty much out of the picture. I do like the Mana 850 by Aprilia They also created a 850cc scooter with pretty much the same body, or at least it appears that way to my untrained eye. I fell in love with the style of their bikes, all smooth refined lines and Italian sophistication. I've only seen one or two on the streets and that appeals to me.
BMW new Urban Mobility Vehicles also appeal to me just due to their style. The fact that they are BMW's - which generally means good engineering that is built to last. The reviews I've read are generally good and frankly, this is probably the only BMW I will ever be able to own other than a matchbox car. Both of the current models are being geared towards city dwellers, answering their concerns about the crowded roads and diminishing resources of city living. It's a gamble and interesting marketing but could pay off huge for BMW in the future.
When I first started looking at buying a "real bike" and not a scooter various friends of ours tried to steer me to the Triumph Bonneville's. I have to admit that I'm drawn to not only the fine lines of this classic bike but also the history of them. It's a damn sexy machine. The only reason I'm not riding a Bonneville today is that they were, at the time, a little to powerful for me. I could however see myself on one of these very easily.
Susan, my long time girlfriend, and I have discussed the possibility of getting a trike or a trike conversion kit to allow her to ride with me. While I do love the idea of her putting her arms around me as we go through the twisty's I'm not really sold on the idea of a trike. I would eventually like to travel with her to parts unknown, and some trikes are built exactly for that comfort and ease of travel. I have seen some models out there that appear to be little more than cars missing the roof and steering wheel and that to me seems to be defeating the purpose. I am not a fan of Can-Am, although that has more to do with the style of the bike than anything else. I've not seen many on the road which does make it "unique", nor have I really looked at the bike up close. Does it have lots of storage? How does it handle? Frankly I don't know and need to learn more about them.
Piaggio has the MP3 series of bikes. These are three wheeled scooters and have lots of interesting advantages, such as being able to stop and not put your foot down. They are still rare on the roads and is a much smaller profile than the Can-Am's. Both of these bikes offer stability and safety. The MP3 is a smaller bike (maxing out at a little under 500cc as compared to the 900cc of the Can-Am) and would get gas mileage similar to what I'm getting now.
A motorcycle sidecar seems to be more honest to me. Ural Motorcycles used to make motorcycles for the Soviet Military. Did I mention my enjoyment of odd and unusual? My love of history? The idea of traveling here and there with a sidecar has a romantic element to it as well. Ural prides itself on its ability to take to take what ever you through at it. Sidecars however are also inherently dangerous and many people dislike the idea of riding mere inches above the road surface. The concept appeals to me, the reality might not, again...more research and test drives are required.
I'm not in the market for a new bike though. I am very happy with my 07 Burgman and I'm not ready for a new bike - even if I could afford it - and frankly who knows what will be out there when I am ready? I am however keeping my eyes open, something may fall into my lap one day, for now however...I'm a Burgman rider. Another Burgman could be in the future. You never know.
In my thinking a 250cc or 400cc motorbike or scooter is all he needs for a year or two. Your going to go down at least once while learning and a old beater would serve his needs. Burgman's are relativity cheap and plentiful for example and would provide him experience in handling a two wheeled vehicle. Now don't misunderstand me, I love my Burgie and really don't have any complaints about it but I am a realist as well - he needs to learn and the Burgman is a good bike to do that on. His heart however, is with a sport bike.
My first ride was the Zuma 125, it met all my needs at the time and was a fun little bike, it will always have a place in my heart, but his quest got me thinking. What's next for me?
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| Aprilia Mana 850 ABS |
BMW new Urban Mobility Vehicles also appeal to me just due to their style. The fact that they are BMW's - which generally means good engineering that is built to last. The reviews I've read are generally good and frankly, this is probably the only BMW I will ever be able to own other than a matchbox car. Both of the current models are being geared towards city dwellers, answering their concerns about the crowded roads and diminishing resources of city living. It's a gamble and interesting marketing but could pay off huge for BMW in the future.
When I first started looking at buying a "real bike" and not a scooter various friends of ours tried to steer me to the Triumph Bonneville's. I have to admit that I'm drawn to not only the fine lines of this classic bike but also the history of them. It's a damn sexy machine. The only reason I'm not riding a Bonneville today is that they were, at the time, a little to powerful for me. I could however see myself on one of these very easily.
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| Piaggio MP3 500cc |
Piaggio has the MP3 series of bikes. These are three wheeled scooters and have lots of interesting advantages, such as being able to stop and not put your foot down. They are still rare on the roads and is a much smaller profile than the Can-Am's. Both of these bikes offer stability and safety. The MP3 is a smaller bike (maxing out at a little under 500cc as compared to the 900cc of the Can-Am) and would get gas mileage similar to what I'm getting now.
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| Ural Patrol model |
I'm not in the market for a new bike though. I am very happy with my 07 Burgman and I'm not ready for a new bike - even if I could afford it - and frankly who knows what will be out there when I am ready? I am however keeping my eyes open, something may fall into my lap one day, for now however...I'm a Burgman rider. Another Burgman could be in the future. You never know.
Friday, May 11, 2012
The future is the Maxi - Scooter.
"Hey Rob!"
"Yea, what's up?" I leaned back in my chair and rubbed my eyes as the game....er, the problem, I was working on my work computer had somehow determined it was going to be unsolvable.
"How difficult is it to get a motorcycle license?"
I get these questions from time to time. I also get questions about how fast my bike can go "I've had it to 90 MPH but I don't feel safe at that speed." I tell them (which is more of a comment on my ability as a rider than the bike). Questions like "Is that highway legal?", "What's your fuel economy?", "How much to fill up the tank?" In general I don't mind answering them. After all most people are curious, but its a rare few that actually continue to look into things.
Later that same day, I saw him checking out bikes on various websites. He wanted a used sport bike, but wasn't happy with the horsepower on a lot of them. "Really, I don't need to go 120 mph" he said.
Motorcycle sales have been falling over the last couple of years, on that everyone can agree, but the reasons vary. I, personally, think one of the reasons was the failure of the industry to recognize a changing market. Scooters continue to grow in popularity and I think it's because most Americans want convenience and simplicity; not the complexity of the traditional motorcycle gearing. Raising gas prices are actually hurting the industry. A average motorcycle gets roughly 35 - 40 mpg, which sounds great but now with hybrids and flex fuel cars the consumer has a safer option that might get 50 mpg. Woman riders are also the fastest growing segment of the motorcycle market and this is going to sound sexist but the motorcycle world has a lot of models geared towards men. The bikes are heavy, loud and fast. Woman are generally more practical and really don't need a 1200cc powerhouses if they are looking for a commuter bike.
However, unlike Detroit in the 1970's the motorcycle industry is actually paying attention to a changing world, thus the number of "Maxi-scooters" that are coming out in the next few years. If you think about it it makes perfect sense. A lot of the riders that purchased smaller scooters (the dreaded 50cc) are realizing that they are under powered. For many that means selling off the scoot, but for a few that means an upgrade. In a way it's nice to see companies like Yamaha, Aprilia, BMW and others create something that has the best of both worlds. A scooter traditionally has the under seat storage, a pass through frame, smaller wheels and a front facing fairing with floorboards. In other words the iconic Vespa. The automatic transmission has also traditionally been linked with scooters.
Motorcycles on the other hand generally had bigger wheels, have a manual transmission and foot operated clutches and brakes, you threw your leg over the bike to mount it as well. A larger engine was also a defining characteristic of a motorcycle. Generally speaking "storage" on a cycle was saddlebags or a backpack.
The "Maxi-scooter" has blurred the lines. You have a smaller engine (with ranges from 250cc to 800cc) but with enough power to drive safely on any road and in nearly any condition., lighter weight - the ave maxi scoot weighs about 300 pounds (136 Kilo), the ave motorcycle 500 pounds (227 Kilos). The maxi scooter provides more storage, good fuel economy, automatic transmissions, the larger tires of a maxi-scooter provide more stability, etc. When I went looking for a bike what sold me on the Suzuki Burgman was a simple sentence in a review. Even though I can't remember the phrase word for word one of the things the reviewer said was "This will replace your car." I believe that the maxi-scooters will continue to grow in popularity as people realize their needs will be met with these small to mid-range motorcycles. And lets be honest, the trend over the last few years has been to bigger and bigger power-plants. There are simply no bikes that a beginning rider can buy that are in a reasonable cc range.
At the end of the day though, what really matters in perception. Will the general American public accept the new style of motorcycle? Will dealerships make an effort to sell a "scooter" or continue to push a more traditional motorcycle? Will companies like Kymco become major players in a tough field because of their success with smaller scooters?
As someone interested in marketing it's going to be interesting to see how things go in the next few years, but I wouldn't be surprised with the "maxi-scooter" market takes off in the next few years. I expect they will be marketed to the new riders too.
"Yea, what's up?" I leaned back in my chair and rubbed my eyes as the game....er, the problem, I was working on my work computer had somehow determined it was going to be unsolvable.
"How difficult is it to get a motorcycle license?"
I get these questions from time to time. I also get questions about how fast my bike can go "I've had it to 90 MPH but I don't feel safe at that speed." I tell them (which is more of a comment on my ability as a rider than the bike). Questions like "Is that highway legal?", "What's your fuel economy?", "How much to fill up the tank?" In general I don't mind answering them. After all most people are curious, but its a rare few that actually continue to look into things.
Later that same day, I saw him checking out bikes on various websites. He wanted a used sport bike, but wasn't happy with the horsepower on a lot of them. "Really, I don't need to go 120 mph" he said.
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| Special thanks to Genevieve Schmitt. |
However, unlike Detroit in the 1970's the motorcycle industry is actually paying attention to a changing world, thus the number of "Maxi-scooters" that are coming out in the next few years. If you think about it it makes perfect sense. A lot of the riders that purchased smaller scooters (the dreaded 50cc) are realizing that they are under powered. For many that means selling off the scoot, but for a few that means an upgrade. In a way it's nice to see companies like Yamaha, Aprilia, BMW and others create something that has the best of both worlds. A scooter traditionally has the under seat storage, a pass through frame, smaller wheels and a front facing fairing with floorboards. In other words the iconic Vespa. The automatic transmission has also traditionally been linked with scooters.
Motorcycles on the other hand generally had bigger wheels, have a manual transmission and foot operated clutches and brakes, you threw your leg over the bike to mount it as well. A larger engine was also a defining characteristic of a motorcycle. Generally speaking "storage" on a cycle was saddlebags or a backpack.
The "Maxi-scooter" has blurred the lines. You have a smaller engine (with ranges from 250cc to 800cc) but with enough power to drive safely on any road and in nearly any condition., lighter weight - the ave maxi scoot weighs about 300 pounds (136 Kilo), the ave motorcycle 500 pounds (227 Kilos). The maxi scooter provides more storage, good fuel economy, automatic transmissions, the larger tires of a maxi-scooter provide more stability, etc. When I went looking for a bike what sold me on the Suzuki Burgman was a simple sentence in a review. Even though I can't remember the phrase word for word one of the things the reviewer said was "This will replace your car." I believe that the maxi-scooters will continue to grow in popularity as people realize their needs will be met with these small to mid-range motorcycles. And lets be honest, the trend over the last few years has been to bigger and bigger power-plants. There are simply no bikes that a beginning rider can buy that are in a reasonable cc range.
At the end of the day though, what really matters in perception. Will the general American public accept the new style of motorcycle? Will dealerships make an effort to sell a "scooter" or continue to push a more traditional motorcycle? Will companies like Kymco become major players in a tough field because of their success with smaller scooters?
As someone interested in marketing it's going to be interesting to see how things go in the next few years, but I wouldn't be surprised with the "maxi-scooter" market takes off in the next few years. I expect they will be marketed to the new riders too.
Tuesday, September 27, 2011
That fine line...defining what you are.
As I was writing this it occurred to me this may be the only time in the world when Audrey Hepburn and Hell's Angels are mentioned in the same article. Admit it, your curious now.
The other day I was asked to move my scooter. I almost said something about it's how it's not a scooter...it's a bike. Well technically it is a scooter but it feels more like a bike to me. When you start getting into the upper engine displacement ranges the line between "bike" and "scooter" start to fade in my mind. I can easily do 70 - 80 mph all day (the bike is capable of more but I'm not sure I am). I can easily pass cars and other motorcycles. So it's more than a "scooter" but in most people's minds, less than a motorcycle.
Does it really matter what it's called? Piaggio, I understand, is either currently producing a 850cc scooter in Europe or has been working on the plans for one for some time.
It appears to be pretty slick and blurs the line between "Scooter" and "Bike" even more. Some motorcycles now are automatic transmission as well, which used to be part of what defined a scooter.
I consider myself to be a "rider" not a "scooterist." The term "Scooter" to me at least has connotations of the classic "Roman Holiday." That is probably what most people think of when they hear the word "Scooter" - a small little two stroke Vespa which was probably capable of maybe 40 mph.
When I decided to upgrade to a maxi scooter I was surprised how many of the little 50cc models from various manufacturer's were being made and sold. I'm still in shock when I see people going 2 up on them. Thank you Audrey Hepburn!
Mention the word "Biker" to people and they probably picture something straight out of the Hell's Angels catalog. Which I am most definitively not, I do however have the scraggly beard.
So what the hell am I? Does it really matter? Why am I so obsessed with trying to define it? What I do know is that I enjoy getting out on my Burgie and just riding, even if it's just going to work or up to the mall. It's fun for me.
If I manage to save some gas, some money, help the Earth by lowering my Carbon Footprint all while smiling like some idiot well doing it, then more power to me. I just wish more people would forget about what something is and just get out and ride, be it on a scooter, maxi scooter, or motorcycle.
Speaking of which...I think I'm going for a ride. Till next time!
The other day I was asked to move my scooter. I almost said something about it's how it's not a scooter...it's a bike. Well technically it is a scooter but it feels more like a bike to me. When you start getting into the upper engine displacement ranges the line between "bike" and "scooter" start to fade in my mind. I can easily do 70 - 80 mph all day (the bike is capable of more but I'm not sure I am). I can easily pass cars and other motorcycles. So it's more than a "scooter" but in most people's minds, less than a motorcycle.
Does it really matter what it's called? Piaggio, I understand, is either currently producing a 850cc scooter in Europe or has been working on the plans for one for some time.
It appears to be pretty slick and blurs the line between "Scooter" and "Bike" even more. Some motorcycles now are automatic transmission as well, which used to be part of what defined a scooter.
I consider myself to be a "rider" not a "scooterist." The term "Scooter" to me at least has connotations of the classic "Roman Holiday." That is probably what most people think of when they hear the word "Scooter" - a small little two stroke Vespa which was probably capable of maybe 40 mph.
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| And two stars are born |
Mention the word "Biker" to people and they probably picture something straight out of the Hell's Angels catalog. Which I am most definitively not, I do however have the scraggly beard.
So what the hell am I? Does it really matter? Why am I so obsessed with trying to define it? What I do know is that I enjoy getting out on my Burgie and just riding, even if it's just going to work or up to the mall. It's fun for me.
If I manage to save some gas, some money, help the Earth by lowering my Carbon Footprint all while smiling like some idiot well doing it, then more power to me. I just wish more people would forget about what something is and just get out and ride, be it on a scooter, maxi scooter, or motorcycle.
Speaking of which...I think I'm going for a ride. Till next time!
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